adroc_thurston
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Probably means that the XboxOS will run on any compatible hardware allowing the the Xbox Store and everything else on it to run unmodified. M$ is trying to Windoze their way into the console market now. Flood it with clones.
It "feels" like having an Xbox console 
Hardware specs match Xbox-Next requirements and you get an "Xbox" OS/App or whatever. Essentially the Xbox APU for OEMs with respective SW Support. But with some system base requirements as well (e.g. SSD spec). And the thing can probably run Windows as well.
Maybe does Medusa Halo fulfill those requirements as well (more like Xbox Series S today). Could be an additional selling point for AMD. But in essence it is just a PC with some Xbox App and respective minimum HW specs. And above Medusa Halo you get an additional and more powerful "Xbox-Next" APU, which you can also sell for PC builds.
So overall:
Why not? You build the big APU anyways. Why not sell it to more customers? Win for both AMD (sells more of the big APUs, additional APU differentiator vs. e.g. Apple/Nvidia/Qualcomm and it gets paid by Microsoft) and Microsoft (either you sell a Xbox or a Windows PC and latter has benefits compared to e.g. a Playsation, bigger than normal APU for Windows PC vs. Apple).
Open question:
APU required or not? With a limited set of APUs it would be easier to manage. If you introduce dCPUs and dGPUs into the mix it would get complicated.
Hardware specs match Xbox-Next requirements and you get an "Xbox" OS/App or whatever. Essentially the Xbox APU for OEMs with respective SW Support. But with some system base requirements as well (e.g. SSD spec). And the thing can probably run Windows as well.
Maybe does Medusa Halo fulfill those requirements as well (more like Xbox Series S today). Could be an additional selling point for AMD. But in essence it is just a PC with some Xbox App and respective minimum HW specs. And above Medusa Halo you get an additional and more powerful "Xbox-Next" APU, which you can also sell for PC builds.
So overall:
Why not? You build the big APU anyways. Why not sell it to more customers? Win for both AMD (sells more of the big APUs, additional APU differentiator vs. e.g. Apple/Nvidia/Qualcomm and it gets paid by Microsoft) and Microsoft (either you sell a Xbox or a Windows PC and latter has benefits compared to e.g. a Playsation, bigger than normal APU for Windows PC vs. Apple).
Open question:
APU required or not? With a limited set of APUs it would be easier to manage. If you introduce dCPUs and dGPUs into the mix it would get complicated.
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I could see games having specific hardware model profiles depending on their market penetration. If suppose a really low end Xbox clone sells really well, everyone may put a profile for that in their game so it runs with the best image quality and performance without needing to tweak anything.
You could do that additionally for any Windows game. No need for additional SW or HW. Just an optimized settings preset ("Xbox whatever" in the game menu).
Would be a good idea anyways for many casual gamers. Best looks for the buck. Texture pool size might differ automatically, depending on your VRAM buffer size. So if you have enough VRAM, textures look a bit better than on consoles.
Would be a good idea anyways for many casual gamers. Best looks for the buck. Texture pool size might differ automatically, depending on your VRAM buffer size. So if you have enough VRAM, textures look a bit better than on consoles.
I think Strix Halo was a lightbulb moment for M$. They realized that this SoC is gonna be almost the same everywhere except for the amount of RAM. No need to target a plethora of hardware configurations. Most people just want to game. That's why they get consoles in the first place. What if they could just game and run applications at the same time on the same hardware??? It's a very positive development in my opinion. Complaints about X game not running well despite having a 4090/5090 could go away almost overnight due to targeted hardware specific game optimizations.
adroc_thurston
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They don't give a damn about it.
At all.
Yeah it's called having a PC.
Except having to waste time fiddling with the settings to get the game to run just right. That would mostly go away with Xbox clones.
Look, Nvidia cards have RUINED gaming. I see the Xbox clone development as the answer to the prayers of PC gamers. People want affordable no fuss gaming and computing. Maybe now we can have both.
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You don't.
Most (all) games auto to whatever the default is for the GPU and even turn upscaling on just in case.
They're literally the reason PC gaming is alive.
It's a desperate last ditch effort to keep the dying brand alive.
Basically the console volksturm.
Also stxH is anything by affordable. The only real laptop with it starts at 3kilobuck for a usable SKU.
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So it's a mobile SoC designed to run Windows and have BC with XBOne and Series, using x86 Ryzen for CPU and RDNA for iGPU? Which then gets to be used by third party OEMs like Asus and Lenovo for their own custom devices?
How does that differ from a Z2E Strix Point successor, which is what @adroc_thurston and @Kepler_L2 insist isn't going to happen?
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Even if Z3E isn't the name for the SKU, what AMD is developing "for Microsoft" seems exactly like what a Z3E would look like.
So from what I saw within the rumored specs:
- Kraken's successor is Medusa Point
- Strix Halo's successor is Medusa Halo (though apparently AMD decided to charge so much for STX-H that no one is buying it👌 so it could be cancelled for all I know)
- Strix Point's successor is this "Windows Xbox" chip that will fall onto the same devices as before (windows handhelds and windows laptops)
In practice, nothing is changing in AMD's roadmap save for the SKU names.
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Not much changes for them, and MS leverages windows after crashing out of the walled garden console market. AMD gets to leverage their IP to tout “gaming chips”, all while nothing really changes much. Makes sense to me and squares up with the recent Lisa su and Sarah bond videos. I’m no insider just taking the pieces I’m seeing and trying to put the puzzle together. The videos are weird and both make hardware bc a bullet point.
On further thought…. Xbox chip may not necessarily be z3e though, could just be the semi custom design Microsoft wants. If they want to sling it to oems they could be ordering a lot of them. Economies of scale and such.
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This is an incentive for AMD to release RDNA 5 apus
Would be funny if they released RDNA 3.75 based z3e after all this song, dance, & drama
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